Learning to live in a post-American world

NPR | By Danielle Kurtzleben ,

Tinbete Ermyas, Christopher Harland-Dunaway

Published August 23, 2026 at 5:21 PM EDT

In a recent article for Foregin Affairs, Mark Leonard makes that argument that America's leading role in the world order is fading. He discusses his argument with NPR's Danielle Kurtzleben.

Danielle Kurtzleben

Danielle Kurtzleben is a White House correspondent on NPR's Washington Desk. She appears regularly on the NPR Politics Podcast and other NPR shows.

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Tinbete Ermyas

Christopher Harland-Dunaway

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